Why does everyone seem to hate Swiss Drafts so much?

krark · **Joined:** Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:25 pm **Posts:** 174

PapaKap wrote:

Wait, wasn't this argument over a while ago?

8-4's are for getting better/ having fun if you enjoy a challenge and don't mind the fact that you may only play one match/ people who are very good at magic.

Swiss is for those who just have fun slinging spells with no ulterior motive other than slinging as many spells as they can for the least amount of money.

And 4322s are for . . . . idiots.

I agree 100% with this post. I can only think that Grunch sees no point in Swiss drafts because he is focused on what 8-4s provide. That's cool, but there is definitely a role for Swiss.

Snowden · **Joined:** Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:08 pm **Posts:** 125

I don't disagree with your comment on 4-3-2-2...but if they're for idiots, doesn't it make sense sometimes to go in and take their money? Think of it like PTQing in Nebraska.

PapaKap · **Joined:** Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:08 pm **Posts:** 217

except that you can usually make it to the finals before facing some idiot who got passed 4 corpsehatch or something and get blown out. Consistency matters.

krark · **Joined:** Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:25 pm **Posts:** 174

Snowden wrote:

I don't disagree with your comment on 4-3-2-2...but if they're for idiots, doesn't it make sense sometimes to go in and take their money? Think of it like PTQing in Nebraska.

4-3-2-2 is an utter and complete crapshoot. Most of the drafts have two or three good drafters and five or so complete noobs who pass third pick Lightning Bolts because they're trying to complete a set or are drafting monocolor or are just clicking on things at random.

Thus, the three good drafters have broken decks and the five noobs have awful decks.

Get paired against a good deck first round and you're gone - or at the very least in for a rather tough match. Get a couple good pairings and you're in the finals.

I'd argue you actually learn less from 4-3-2-2 than you do from Swiss.

fmlihatemagic · **Joined:** Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:56 am **Posts:** 25

Grunch wrote:

If you're playing to build up a collection the correct move is to invest in a constructed deck and grind that out instead. Constructed has a much better pay-off. If you can 3-1 50% of DE's you enter you make a profit, making it much more reasonable to "go infinite." Draft is for fun or learning a format for a big event, but its pay-out makes impossible to profit from.

However, because of this, Swiss drafts simply make no sense to me. They obviously aren't for skill building. They aren't for learning a format. They don't help build your collection. They sort of just let you draft with the least net loss, if we assume you suck and can't get better. But then, if you suck and can't improve, why play at all? There are ways to play magic for free. I don't understand being willing to input money for such a low EV.

Grunch I usually agree with everything you say or somehow defend you but in this case there are also some people that FUCKING hate constructed magic but still wanna build a viable collection of cards on MTGO. So I will have to disagree with you here. Thanks.

Grunch · **Joined:** Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:45 pm **Posts:** 480

Wait........

Why would you want to have collection if you don't want to play constructed? Do you just really enjoy looking at all those shiny, virtual cards or something?

krark · **Joined:** Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:25 pm **Posts:** 174

Grunch wrote:

Wait........

Why would you want to have collection if you don't want to play constructed? Do you just really enjoy looking at all those shiny, virtual cards or something?

Set collection and redemption, for one. I know a guy who collects complete sets on MTGO then redeems them so he can have cards for EDH and other offline formats and for his how collecting urges.

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